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Ultrasound of Peripheral Nerve Entrapment, Dr. Jon Jacobson (3-27-25)

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Today we are honored to welcome Dr. John Jacobson

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for a lecture entitled Ultrasound

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of Peripheral Nerve Entrapment.

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Dr. Jacobson is a board certified musculoskeletal

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radiologist and currently works at Lennox Hill Radiology in

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New York City and University of California San Diego.

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His academic achievements include over 260 peer reviewed

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publications and many invited national

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and international lectures and workshops.

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Dr. Jacobson has been a visiting professor on over 50

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occasions, is president of the Society of Skeletal Radiology

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and has received numerous teaching

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and mentoring awards,

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including the 2023 Distinguished Educator Award.

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He is also the author of the textbook Fundamentals

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of Musculoskeletal Ultrasound

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and we are honored to have him here with us today.

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At the end of the lecture, please join Dr. Jacobson in a q

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and a session where he will address questions you may have

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on today's topic.

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and a feature to submit your questions so we can get to

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as many as we can before our time is up.

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With that, we are ready to begin today's lecture.

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Dr. Jacobson, please take it from here.

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Okay, great. So I'll be talking about ultrasound

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of peripheral nerve entrapment.

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As an aside, the QR code here will get you to a PDF

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of my syllabus of this lecture.

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I'll also have the QR code at the very end if

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you can't get to your phone.

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Uh, quick enough. Uh, these are my disclosures listed here.

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They are really not relevant to the talk,

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but they are listed nonetheless.

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So first, a few introductory comments about

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ultrasound of peripheral nerves.

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They're best identified in short axis

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because in short axis that's when they appear like this,

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this honeycomb appearance

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where you can see the individual hypo coic, nerve icic

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and the echogenic neck tissue

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around the, the nerve vesicles.

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This is the median nerve in the carpal tunnel.

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Obviously as you scan a nerve more peripherally,

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as the sles will arbor rise

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and move away from the trunk,

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it will get smaller and smaller.

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But when you look at a nerve trunk,

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it's this honeycomb appearance that is characteristic.

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Note here, I'm toggling the transducer

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to help differentiate the adjacent tendons,

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which are hyper coic demonstrating anisotropy.

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Whereas the, the, uh,

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nerve trunk themselves only the connective tissue will

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demonstrate anoscopy.

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So there's much less, uh, anoscopy.

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You can see the nerves and long axis as well.

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But the short axis is really how you identify the nerve

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and how you can officially look at a nerve

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throughout the entire extremity.

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Another comment I wanna make is about nerve compression.

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That's gonna be really

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what I'm emphasizing in this lecture

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on entrapment neuropathies.

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What's been shown in the animal model is

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that when you compress a nerve,

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what happens is there's ischemia

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and the first pathologic change is edema.

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After that you have demyelination and then axonal damage.

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The point here is that inflammation is not present

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with nerve compression.

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So the term neuritis is really a misnomer

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and using that term is actually not very helpful

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'cause it could, uh, trigger the clinician to think

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that injecting steroids can cure the process when really

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there is no inflammatory component at all

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to compressive neuropathies.

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What do we look for by imaging ultrasound and MR imaging?

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What we're looking for is edema.

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Again, that's the first stage of any kind of entrapment

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edema of the nerve.

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And also you'll see enlargement typically in many

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of these locations

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where I'll be talking about nerve entrapment

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and the the swelling

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or enlargement will be at, in proximal

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to the entrapment site, a process

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that's called axonal damming.

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And then the, the edema

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and the enlargement can persist more distally

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that's most pronounced proximal to the

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enclosed fibrosis canal or entrapment site.

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Now when looking at peripheral nerves by ultrasound

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or mr, we always have to be aware

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of the end organ looking at the muscle

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'cause this is a very helpful point

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to determine the nerve distribution that is abnormal,

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but also, uh, tells you the severity of of what's happening.

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So I want to talk about this by ultrasound.

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What we're looking at here is an example

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of atrophy in the upper image.

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So I wanna mention that edema appears hyper coic

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and fatty uh, degeneration

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or infiltration also appears hyper coic.

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So I wanna take a moment about the physics of why both

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of these different processes produce the same finding.

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So if we talk about, let's talk about fatty degeneration

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first, we know pure fat is nearly anti coic.

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It's very hypo coic.

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It's not really shown in this image,

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but there's hypo area here in the subcutaneous area

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that is pure fat.

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You might wonder why is hypo coic muscle

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in hypo coic fat when you mix this together?

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Why does the muscle appear hypo coic?

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Well it comes down to the physics of the image

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because ultrasound,

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we're essentially looking at reflections of interfaces.

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What determines the reflectivity is the speed of sound

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or impedance of the tissues across that interface.

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So even though pure muscles hypoechoic

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pure fat is hypo coic, their speed of sound is different.

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So when they're interdigitated it produces reflections

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because of those differences in speed of sound.

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The same thing happens with edema.

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We know fluid is anti coic by ultrasound,

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but if you mix anti coic fluid with hypo coic muscle,

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the speed of sound is different producing reflexivity.

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Incidentally, muscle fibrosis also appears echogenic

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and even muscle inflammation,

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something I'm not talking about today will also

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appear hyper coic.

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The last point, if you're looking

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for subtle increased genicity of muscle comparative

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to compared to the other side, I've seen cases

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where when you put the trans on the muscle,

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the image looks really bright, you turn the gain down

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so it starts to look like normal muscle.

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What you really wanna do is look at the contralateral

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asymptomatic side,

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set the gain appropriately based on the background light

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of the room and then go to the symptomatic side.

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Alright, so what I'm gonna do in this lecture is run

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through the peripheral nerves, starting

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with the upper extremity,

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covering the entrapment syndromes first, beginning

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with carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Of course the most common entrapment neuropathy

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of the upper extremity.

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Now there are a bunch of numbers

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that are listed which are here on the slide to

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indicate if you needed to, uh, look at the size

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of the area to be more exact.

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With the diagnosis you can do so.

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In fact, when I think about ultrasound

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of peripheral nerve entrapment of of the extremities,

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this is probably the only nerve

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where I will actually measure the area

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because of litigation issues

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and also many insurance companies need more strict criteria

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met to, to approve various treatments

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for carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Anyways, these these are the numbers uh, you may apply.

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Now here's what it would look like.

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The peripheral never will be enlarged and hypo coic.

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Here we see in cross-section the nerve indeed is enlarged

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and the echogenic connected two layers are really

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more hypo coic.

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Globally, the entire median nerve is hypo

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coic in long axis.

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On the right we can use the bone landmark for orientation.

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Here's radius lunate and capitate.

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We can see the enlarged hypo coic nerve going

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underneath the defensive carpal ligament or ret inoculum.

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Some people have coined the term the notch sign.

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It's basically showing a difference in thickness

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related to compression.

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Note the adjacent here, which are more hyper coic

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and fibrillar or fiber like.

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Now if you are to measure the area of a nerve,

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it's done on short axis.

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You wanna toggle the trans define the epineurium,

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which is the white layer surrounding it.

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You wanna find the area of maximum enlargement

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and using circumferential trace, don't try to put an ellipse

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to it or X times y that is inaccurate.

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You wanna trace on the inside of the epineurium

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for the most accurate assessment

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or measurement of the area of the nerve.

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Now one problem about using just a single number to indicate

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what is abnormal, meaning a number

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that you can apply to everyone.

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The problem is someone who's five foot versus six foot

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eight, their nerves are intrinsically different size.

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So this is the, the criterion I use

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to diagnose carpal tunnel syndrome when I'm measuring

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nerve enlargement.

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And you can see the numbers here are really quite good.

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What the paper described as you measured the nerve area

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at its maximal enlargement

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and you compare to the thighs more proximal at the level the

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pronator quadrats.

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If that area increases by two millimeter square

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or more, that's when you get 99% sensitivity.

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100% specificity in the diagnosis of carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Here is another case

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of carpal tunnel syndrome showing nerve enlargement.

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Now most of the time when we see carpal tunnel syndrome,

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there's really no uh, I guess physical finding,

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meaning there's no ganglion cyst

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or there's no uh, synovitis usually in most cases.

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So here's an unusual case, a patient

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with rheumatoid arthritis.

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What we see here is synovitis

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around the flexor tendons associated

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with the carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Now the OAR, technically this is not no synovitis,

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there's no tendon teeth.

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Here is actually ulnar bursa

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that essentially functions like tendon teeth.

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You can still call it you incentivize,

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although it's not completely accurate.

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It's really the ulnar bursa interdigitating

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between the flexor tendons within the carpal tunnel.

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As we leave carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Remember you can have a bifid median nerve is a normal

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variant some people say up to 10% of the time,

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and indeed those can be enlarged

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and hypo coic with carpal tunnel syndrome.

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The criterion used here is four millimeter square.

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If you add the numbers together compared

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to proximal measurement,

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and as an aside, you should not see flow on color

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or power doppler imaging in a normal nerve.

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So that can be another indirect sign

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of carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Moving on to another entrapment syndrome

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of the median nerve pronator tear syndrome.

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What this involves is the median nerve as it passes

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between the two heads of the pronator terrace.

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This is really quite rare.

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This is the only case I've seen

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and uh, what we're looking at here is indeed

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nerve enlargement.

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Now why I think we do not see this well at imaging is

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that unlike the carpal tunnel

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where you have an enclosed fibrosis canal creating this

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axonal damning and edema that's constant.

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This is more of a physiologic entrapment

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where the nerve is compressed but not continually.

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And that's why we don't get this dramatic enlargement

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and edema of the nerve proximal to the entrapment site.

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But this is again, quite rare.

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Moving on to anterior interosseous nerve syndrome,

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there is problems when trying to make this diagnosis

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and then the reason they're twofold, first of all, looking

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for the anti interosseous nerve is challenging

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even in normal people.

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If you put on the color of dopplar imaging,

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it's usually sitting right next to the the art artery here.

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But why this makes this very difficult is the end organ,

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which are the muscles which shrink denervation.

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What that will do, it really obscures the deeper structures.

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It dampens the, the strength of the ultrasound beam.

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So what I find in trying

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to diagnose anterior neurosis nerve syndrome,

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I'm really relying on looking for the end organ

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or the denervation changes also shown here

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on on the MRI.

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Now there is a clinical exam finding that can help you

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to indicate yes, this really is a problem

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if you have them make the okay sign.

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If they cannot make the okay sign, they are not okay.

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So that is the clue to the diagnosis.

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Moving on to the ulnar nerve hurts at the wrist

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in gull's canal

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or the ulnar conal is where we're looking

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for the ulnar nerve being compressed.

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Now you can have an accessory abductor de gene up

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to 24% of the, of wrist.

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I think it's more about 20%,

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but this is what the literature says

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that can cause compression uncommonly,

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you could have what's called hypo

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or hemorrage syndrome where the primary problem is nar nerve

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thrombosis, but you could have edema swelling with

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mild secondary nerve compression.

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So here's an example of an accessory abductor DigiMe.

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What we're looking at here is the pisiform

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is my bone landmark.

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We know in the transfer plane between the ulnar artery

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and the pisiform is the ulnar nerve.

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The ulnar veins are collapsed.

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You should not see any muscle in this area.

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And this is the accessory muscle most commonly going over

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the top of these structures uncommonly introduced

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between the ulnar artery and nerve.

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But you can see here the hypo calic muscle,

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the linear fiber adipose layers

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between the muscle characteristics of normal muscle tissue.

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I've seen ganglion this year uncommonly lipomas.

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It, it's not, it's not very common,

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but you can have masses in the area

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also causing compression.

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Now here's an example of hypo

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or hammer syndrome historically described in Europe

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where people are using their hand to shingle roofs.

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I don't recommend that this is more people falling on their

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hand or people using racket sports.

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And what we see here is thrombosis in the ulnar artery

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and thrombo more.

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The point here is the edema

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and swelling related to the ulnar thrombosis.

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You could have some ulnar nerve symptoms,

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but not truly an entrapment neuropathy per se.

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And here's the companion case.

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This entrapment neuropathy is really between the hook

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of the hammit and the handlebars of a bicycle.

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So this has been called cyclist risk, where having the hand

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or wrist resting on the the,

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the bicycle handlebar will compress the nerve

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between the handlebar

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and the hook of the hammit producing the

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ulnar nerve symptoms.

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Now moving on to the cubital tunnel syndrome,

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the second most common infra neuropathy

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with neuro upper upper extremity.

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Let's look at the anatomy. The true cubital tunnel is this

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canal here where the alt, where the ulnar nerve passes

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underneath the arcuate ligament

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and point between the two heads of the flexor CRI mars.

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Now remember what we're looking for here is edema

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and enlargement at in proximal ENT treatment site.

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So we tend to see this edema more proximal

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behind the mi peon.

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So that's where I'll start imaging, look for the enlargement

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and then look for the uh, transition

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or compression of the nerve

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as we look distally within the true cubital tunnel.

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Here's an example where the nerve is markedly enlarged.

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You look here in, in long axis the nerve getting larger

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and larger emus and then compressed under the RQA ligament.

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Now there are a number here,

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but I have to admit I usually don't need

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or need to measure the, the, the area here.

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And the point here is when you're scanning a peripheral

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nerve, you need to scan the entire nerve.

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However, recognizing there are specific sites in the

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extremity prone to entrapment

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and as you're scanning the nerve in short axis, again that's

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how you identify the nerve.

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The nerves should not enlarge,

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they should arize and get smaller.

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So as you're scanning the nerve in short axis,

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as you approach a fibrosis canal like the cubital tunnel,

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the nerve will start to enlarge and get more hypo coic.

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And then as you enter into the entrapment site,

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the nerve will get smaller.

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So just moving the transistor back

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and forth, even without measuring,

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usually I can subjectively know that there's going

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to be some entrapment neuropathy.

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The second thing is where the nerve is emus enlarged,

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it is very sensitive to ultrasound pressure.

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So by pushing with the transducer it will elicit symptoms

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so you can get that feedback as well.

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So usually I'm making up my diagnosis in short axis alone

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without any measurements.

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Of course, you can look in long axis to complement,

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which I'm showing here

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and you can measure if you choose to do

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so like I do in the carpal funnel.

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Here's an example, I'm ancon.

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When you look at the culet tunnel region here,

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the MRI is turned upside down with the elbow extended.

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You shouldn't see any muscle overlying the area

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of the ulnar nerve.

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And here this is the abnormal situation.

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Remember not to call this a cyst or a mass.

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Recognize the hypo coic muscle and the fibroadipose layers.

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Here is the ulnar nerve.

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But two points I wanna make about this.

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First of all, it is very common to see edema

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of the ulnar nerve without enlargement

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in a normal situation.

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Asymptomatic patients,

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and we see this on MRI as well, it's been shown that

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of all the nerves in the extremities,

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minimal edema on the ulnar nerve without enlargement is a

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combin asymptomatic finding.

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And this can be explained,

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if you think about the nerves in the extremities,

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the ulnar nerve is one nerve

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that really goes through a lot of flexion.

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As you bend the elbows, you're, you know, you're,

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you're going a hundred eighty, two hundred seventy degrees.

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This nerve is making it a tremendous term

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and this is why in theory you can have asymptomatic edema

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of the ulnar nerve but it should not be enlarged.

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The second point I wanna make, you want to scan this area

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with the elbow in extension.

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And that is because when you flex the elbow,

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the biceps comes into view

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and our accuracy in diagnosing this accessory

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muscle goes way down.

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So you want to start with the elbow extended

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or nearly fully extended

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and then make sure that there's no muscle in this area

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indicate this normal variant.

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Now speaking of elbow flexion, when someone has

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NAR nerve symptoms, we're also going to look dynamically

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and look for NAR nerve dislocation.

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Now this can happen in up to 20%

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of asymptomatic individuals, but

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nonetheless we're going to look for this.

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You put the transducer on the media epicon down

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as you flex the elbow norm phy stay behind the epicon down.

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Here's the abnormal situation here.

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It's coming with a top snapping back.

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Don't put too much pressure with the transducer

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'cause you can inhibit the nerve from going back and forth.

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So obviously the nerve snapping in

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and out, that can cause some edema of the nerve

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and irritation also having the nerve out

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of its normal protected area predisposes it

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to direct impact injuries.

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Now when we're looking at the ulnar nerve for dislocation,

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we have to be aware of what's called snapping tricep

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syndrome in this scenario indeed the ulnar nerve dislocates,

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but there's an additional finding.

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The medial head of the triceps shows subluxation.

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And I'll show you what this looks like

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and your yours on the left.

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I'm gonna start the thin clip.

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Here's the medi condyle

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and a neutral position here is the only nerve.

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Now I'm gonna flex and look what happens.

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Dislocated nerve snapping of the triceps

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and as we extend the elbow we can see both

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of these coming back to their normal location.

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Why this is important to consider is clinically this may be

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difficult to to pick up

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so many times the only nerve dislocation is easily felt

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clinically, but this can be problematic.

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There's one case that comes to mind of a violinist who, uh,

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went to surgery for all nerve dislocation,

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didn't have imaging after the nerve, uh,

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trans transposition, uh, the patient still had symptoms.

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Patient came back for our imaging

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and the patient had snapping triceps

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that was not in anticipated, had to go back

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for a second surgery to debride the muscle.

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So it's important to consider this where both

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of these structures are abnormally moving over the menon.

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Okay, moving to the radial nerve

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and posterior interosseous nerve syndrome.

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When we follow the radial nerve between the brachialis

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and brachial radis,

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it will divide into a superficial and deep branch.

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When the deep branch goes between the two layers

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of the supinator under an edge of connective kit, uh,

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tissue called the Arcadia fros, that is

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where the entrapment occurs.

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The nerve looking for edema

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and enlargement at end proximal to the entrapment site,

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the deep branch will go into the supinator

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and exit as the posterior

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ous nerve in the dorsal part of the forum.

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So it's interesting, many people will divide this into two

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subtypes of syndrome, supinator syndrome,

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and radial tunnel syndrome for Supinator syndrome.

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That's when there are motor deficits.

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Abnormal electrodiagnostic studies

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and imaging will show nerve enlargement and edema.

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Ultrasound and mr this is what we typically see

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where we see the normal nerve on this contralateral side

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here we see enlargement

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and edema as it goes at the edge of the AAD fro

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between the two layers of the supinator.

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Now radial tunnel syndrome is more problematic.

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Patients have pain but there are no motor deficits,

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normal electrodiagnostic studies and no nerve enlargement.

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However, we do see muscle denervation on mr.

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So that's why if I'm scanning for, uh,

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PostIt interosseous nerve syndrome on ultrasound,

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if it's normal, I'll have them go to MR.

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Knowing that it is more sensitive on MR

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to see this subtle muscle edema

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that could indicate radial tunnel syndrome.

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Moving on to Wartenberg syndrome,

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looking at the superficial sensory branch

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of the radial nerve toward the forearm and wrist.

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Now we can easily find the superficial branch

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of the radial nerve as it courses over

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the first risk compartment.

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Of course, this is where we look for tenitis.

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Here's the honeycomb

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or speckled appearance

23:47

of the superficial branch for the radial nerve.

23:51

We, this is not the site of wardenberg syndrome,

23:53

but I just wanted to highlight

23:54

where you can identify the nerve easily.

23:57

Where I tend to see problems here is a hematoma

24:00

and compression due to any puncture injury, et cetera.

24:04

So this is more

24:05

of a traumatic problem more than wardenberg syndrome.

24:10

But looking at wardenberg syndrome, this is more,

24:12

more proximal to the forum, still the distal part.

24:16

And what we're looking at is where the nerve comes out, uh,

24:20

over the uh,

24:21

brachial radiology under the EC carpe radiologist.

24:25

And when the hand is pronated, that's

24:28

where the compression occurs.

24:29

And here we can see the hallmark of an entrapment neuropathy

24:33

or compression, which is edema

24:35

and enlargement at the compression site.

24:38

So sometimes finding the nerve at

24:40

this location is challenging.

24:41

That's why I started by saying

24:43

where you could find the nerve more proximally,

24:45

then you can move, sorry, more distally

24:48

and then move proximal.

24:49

You can always look at the elbow and

24:51

and then track it distally that way as well.

24:53

But this is the finding that we see

24:55

with Wharton Bird syndrome.

24:58

Interesting. The upper extremity looking at the

25:01

suprascapular nerve really related

25:03

to a paralabral gang leaf cyst,

25:05

we use the term paralabral cyst to indicate

25:08

that this is caused by a labral tear

25:11

where joint fluid will come out of a joint,

25:13

usually labral detachment producing, uh, the cyst.

25:18

They can occur in the spinal glenoid notch

25:20

where you would have downstream atrophy

25:22

of the in infraspinatus

25:24

or you can have it at the suprascapular notch affecting more

25:28

approximately therefore the supraspinatus.

25:30

And in infraspinatus.

25:32

And here's the labrum, here's the glenoid,

25:35

here's the humeral head.

25:38

We're not that great in looking for labral tears

25:40

with ultrasound, but

25:41

nonetheless, if you see a multilocular cyst at the base

25:45

of the labrum, look carefully for the labral care

25:48

and usually you can adjust it at least here.

25:51

Incidentally, the infraspinatus muscle is

25:55

emus showing increased genic on ultrasound.

25:58

Therefore denervation changes as you know,

26:01

the earliest signs of denervation is edema.

26:04

And then later on is

26:05

where you'll see fatty infiltration or degeneration.

26:08

And finally atrophy

26:10

where there's decreased size of the muscle.

26:12

Now when performing ultrasound for a paralabral cyst,

26:16

we have to be aware of normal suprascapular vein

26:19

dilatation or dilation.

26:22

Here's the normal shoulder looking at the infra muscle

26:25

and tendon humeral head labrum and the posterior glenoid.

26:29

Here's where we're gonna look for the scapular nerve.

26:33

Now look what happens. As we accidentally rotate,

26:36

we see normal suprascapular vein dilation.

26:41

So if this, if I froze this image right here,

26:45

this looks almost exactly like a pair of labral cys.

26:50

Now how you can differentiate this from a tru cyst, uh,

26:55

don't rely on color doppler tracing.

26:58

The flow is so slow with this dilation

27:00

that even the waveforms are negative.

27:03

But the key is what I'm showing here,

27:05

this is a transient finding,

27:07

meaning when you internally rotate, it collapses.

27:11

When you x-ray rotate it dilates, you will not see

27:14

that happening with a paralabral cyst.

27:17

Those are somewhat tense, they're under pressure.

27:21

The fluid is is quite uh, viscous.

27:24

It's not going to fully collapse like this.

27:26

That's how you make this extinction.

27:30

Okay, moving on to the lower extremity.

27:32

First, speaking with the perineal nerves.

27:35

I recognize the newer graduates from medical school are

27:39

using the term fibular nerve.

27:41

Um, but nonetheless I'm still using the term perineal,

27:44

starting with the common perineal nerve.

27:47

As you know, this tracks behind the the biceps fems,

27:50

which is cut here to show the nerve.

27:52

One potential infra site is when it goes

27:56

between the fibula and the perineal long muscle.

28:00

Of course we know that a fracture

28:01

of the fibula can produce injury.

28:04

I'm gonna show a companion case of stretching injury

28:06

with a nerve dis a knee dislocation.

28:09

But for entrapment neuropathy, focus on first.

28:15

Here's an example here is the fibula.

28:18

And as I start the cine clip you can see the nerve getting

28:21

enlarged as it goes underneath the proximal as back

28:25

of the peroneal long.

28:27

This was a golfer who developed foot drop.

28:30

There was no trauma, it just he with his activity,

28:34

this became enlarged

28:36

and it set up this entrapment neuropathy and his foot drop.

28:42

Now here's a companion case, not an entrapment neuropathy

28:44

but nonetheless I wanna show it for completeness sake.

28:47

This is a patient who had a knee dislocation.

28:50

We can see edema here of the commissural nerve

28:54

compared to the nerve.

28:55

So of course we can't forget to look for that.

28:58

And here it's the tibial nerve, it's a speckled appearance

29:01

and the EMS appearance of the uh, common perennial nerve.

29:06

And as I start the thinning clip, you'll see

29:08

how enlarged this nerve gets compared to the tibial nerve.

29:14

Sorry, the arrows are, are not moving as they did.

29:17

But nonetheless you get the idea that

29:22

this is hypo coic thick compared

29:24

to the normal particular appearance.

29:26

Here it is in long axis.

29:28

Again, nerves should stay the same size

29:30

or our horizon get smaller.

29:31

They shouldn't get larger and definitely not hypoechoic.

29:36

Now somewhat of an entrapment neuropathy, what's more

29:39

of a compressive neuropathy has to do

29:41

with the perineal intraoral ganglion cyst.

29:44

This is a really interesting phenomenon really

29:48

describing other nerves.

29:49

This by far is the most common nerve that we see.

29:51

This what will happen is a patient may have a palpable mass

29:56

at the fibular neck or head region.

30:00

Now typically when a patient develops foot drop,

30:03

many times it's assumed clinically

30:05

that it is just incidental.

30:07

And it we see this with patients who cross their legs maybe

30:12

with trauma or with with weight loss

30:14

because they're more likely

30:16

to compress the nerve externally.

30:18

But one must realize that almost up to 20% of those patients

30:22

with foot drop, this is due to an intradural ganglion cyst.

30:26

Now what is interesting, unlike the idiopathic variety

30:29

with people with weight loss, we see this with patients

30:33

with a high body mass index.

30:35

And let me explain why this relates

30:38

to the intraoral ganglia cyst.

30:42

So first of all, uh, we know

30:45

that the fib fibular joint connects

30:47

to the knee joint in about 20% of the population.

30:50

And what has been shown that if you have a high BMI,

30:54

you're more likely to have uh,

30:56

osteoarthritis or a cartilage problem.

30:58

Therefore you're more likely to have a joint effusion.

31:02

And with a high BMI, you're more likely to have

31:04

that joint effusion under pressure.

31:07

And if you're one of those 20% where

31:09

that need joint connected to the proximal uh, ular joint,

31:14

then joint will be pushed into this joint.

31:17

And if that happens chronically,

31:19

what will happen in some people is

31:22

that fluid will be pushed into the articular branch of

31:26

of the branch

31:27

and then this fluid can track into the common peral nerve.

31:32

Basically that's the pathophysiology

31:35

of a perineal intraoral ganglion cyst.

31:38

It's been shown that if you inject contrast into the knee

31:40

joint, not necessarily the tibial filar joint knee joint,

31:44

it can actually connect into this ganglion cyst.

31:48

And like all ganglion cyst all over the body,

31:51

it's a multilocular hypo coic anti coic collection

31:55

of fluid connecting to a joint.

31:57

Somehow this one is connecting via a nerve.

32:01

We talked about the paralabral cyst where

32:04

that ganglion type cyst connects to the shoulder joint

32:07

al joint through label detachment or tear.

32:10

So back to this by MRI, this can be challenging.

32:15

It's been called a signet ring sign

32:17

where you see a small ganglion fist next

32:20

to the common perineal nerve.

32:22

Here it is tracking along the articular branch.

32:25

Now why this is challenging on MRI, first of all,

32:28

if the history says pain, this almost looks like one

32:31

of these veins in the subcutaneous fat,

32:33

hopefully the the history will guide you to the problem

32:37

'cause it can be subtle when they're small.

32:39

Here on the ultrasound the typical appearance

32:42

of a ganglion cyst, multilocular, hypo

32:45

or antico, we see a tracking along the fibular neck

32:49

and tracking along the common perineal nerve.

32:53

Now here's a companion case.

32:55

This is an extended field of view.

32:57

These are one centimeter markers here,

32:59

this thing was over 15 centimeters going

33:01

into the satic nerve.

33:05

So what we see here is the multi fluid collection

33:10

and I'm showing here now the effect of that,

33:13

the fatty infiltration and edema of the common

33:16

or the extensor muscles of the leg.

33:18

And here we see denervation edema on the MRI.

33:23

So these can be quite enlarged.

33:27

Continuing now to the superficial peroneal nerve.

33:31

Now this site is prone for entrapment where it pierces the

33:36

curl fascia of the leg,

33:37

approximately nine centimeters up from the fibula.

33:40

And that is the typical site

33:43

and what we'll look for, just like any intra neuropathy,

33:45

edema and enlargement.

33:49

But here's a case where I was scanning this young lady's

33:52

ankle and the history was pain.

33:55

I went through my entire ankle

33:57

protocol looking at the tendons and ligaments

33:59

and joint et cetera.

34:00

And everything was completely normal.

34:03

And what I typically do, especially in the ankle,

34:05

in the foot and the wrist, in the hand when I'm scanning

34:08

someone with ultrasound, I'll ask them to point where

34:11

with one finger where the problem is

34:13

or explain what's going on.

34:15

And what she said was that I have pain

34:18

and numbness shooting down my leg.

34:20

So of course when you hear that history,

34:22

you think this is a nerve problem.

34:24

And I said, please explain more.

34:26

And she said, whenever I am exercising

34:29

or she was actually a ballet dancer, uh,

34:33

this would create the problem.

34:35

So I asked her to reproduce the symptoms

34:38

and what I saw here was the superficial

34:43

branch of the perineal nerve going enlargement

34:46

as it comes out under the fascia.

34:49

And at the site there was a muscle hernia.

34:52

So this was a muscle hernia creating this,

34:55

this entrapment at the entrapment site.

34:59

So the resolution of ultrasound showed the nerve problem

35:03

and the interaction with the patient of course,

35:06

and the dynamic imaging brought out the muscle hernia,

35:09

which was really contributing

35:11

or I would say causing the nerve entrapment

35:14

at its entrapment site.

35:17

And we know muscle hernias occur in the lower extremity,

35:19

most commonly the tibia s anterior

35:21

where you have penetrating vessel vessels,

35:23

which is weakening the fascia.

35:25

Alright, moving on to the tibial nerve.

35:30

The tibial nerve. Remember it's not the posterial nerve that

35:33

that's, that's an incorrect term.

35:35

There's only one tial nerve and here it comes down here

35:39

and it has different ways it can bifurcate an arbor rise.

35:44

It gives off a medial calcaneal branch,

35:46

which is sensory in the subcutaneous fat of the heel.

35:50

Then you have the two larger branches, the medial

35:52

and lateral plantar nerves.

35:55

Sometimes all three come off at the same time

35:57

as a trifurcation.

35:59

And then you have the inferior calcaneal nerve

36:02

and you call it Baxter nerve, which is the first branch off

36:05

of the lateral plantar nerve.

36:07

This one is really difficult to identify an ultrasound.

36:11

These two are easy. This one you can typically see now

36:16

because this is an enclosed base, this is

36:19

where we're prone to entrapment.

36:21

By far the most common cause of entrapment is a gangly cyst.

36:25

You can have other causes, masses, et cetera,

36:28

but it's really, that is the problem.

36:30

Now side point I wanna make, if you

36:35

consider all the entrapment neuropathies

36:36

that I've talked about so far in both extremities,

36:40

the one entrapment

36:41

that creates the most dramatic nerve enlargement is

36:44

cubital tunnel syndrome.

36:46

On the other end of the spectrum, the one where I've,

36:48

I've not yet to date seen enlargement

36:51

of the tibial nerve is the tarsal tunnel.

36:54

And this can be explained

36:56

by the pathophysiology of the edema.

36:59

Remember the edema is due to what's called axonal damming.

37:02

So it turns out the enlargement edema is proportional

37:06

or indirectly, sorry, inversely proportional to the size

37:10

of the entrapment space.

37:13

So the cubital tunnel is a very narrow space.

37:15

That's why the ulnar nerve is dramatically enlarged.

37:18

The tarsal tunnel is one of the largest spaces

37:21

that the nerves pass through.

37:23

So that's why we do not see enlargement.

37:26

And I've actually not seen a emon MRI as well in spite

37:29

of a clinical finding

37:31

and even a ganglion cyst pushing on the nerve.

37:33

There's just so much space there that it's

37:36

that we don't see the dramatic features of edema

37:39

and enlargement like the other nerves.

37:42

Uh, carpal tunnel syndrome's another one not as striking

37:45

as culet tunnel,

37:47

but definitely in this area in tar tarsal tunnel.

37:51

Don't expect the nerve to look abnormal.

37:53

You really wanna look for the cause of the entrapment.

37:57

Another point when you're scanning, don't scan in this area

38:00

because you can have problems more distally.

38:02

I'm gonna show a case of a ganglion cyst from the anterior

38:05

sub joint that was presenting as tarsal tunnel syndrome.

38:09

And the problem was actually beyond the tarsal tunnel.

38:12

So first of all, normal here's showing the

38:15

trifurcation of the tibial nerve.

38:17

We're showing the medial calcaneal branch

38:20

and then the lateral and medial plantar nerve,

38:23

which is the um, arborization of the tibial nerve

38:29

here taken from the literature showing the inferior

38:32

calcaneal nerve here between the abductor and the quadros.

38:37

Plenty. Now even with mr,

38:39

I still have not seen an abnormality of this nerve.

38:43

What I do rely on with ultrasound

38:45

and MRI is the end organ of this nerve.

38:49

What we're looking for here is basically edema

38:53

and fatty atrophy of the abject digital quinty.

38:58

Now remember there are different levels of entrapment

39:01

of the inferior calcaneal nerve.

39:04

Actually the more common one is going to be a, uh,

39:07

plantar aosis

39:08

and ified spur where the nerve tracts under that.

39:12

We can't see that with ultrasound anyways.

39:15

So just be aware that this nerve is hard to see

39:17

and that's why when I'm looking at the TORS tunnel region

39:20

and any for medially for nerve symptom,

39:23

look at the abductor dig quinty for fatty infiltration

39:27

or edema as a to some kind of entrapment, more proximally.

39:33

I already mentioned this ganglion cyst is

39:36

by far the most common rarely these other items

39:40

and I just talked about the length

39:42

real nerve is usually relatively normal.

39:46

Here is a larger talked to ganglion cyst,

39:49

again cyst all over the body.

39:51

He had the same pathophysiology and they look the same.

39:54

The pathophysiology is joint fluid, most commonly coming

39:58

through a defect in the capsule of the joint.

40:02

And you have fluid pushing it out into the soft tissues,

40:05

forming a multilocular hypo IC collection.

40:09

Here with through transmission the flu can be very viscous

40:13

like these little doc shown here.

40:15

And here the tibial nerve is being displaced

40:18

or the tibial nerve is otherwise normal in size

40:22

and echogenicity.

40:26

Now here is that companion case

40:28

where the caral toleration was completely normal,

40:31

but as I scanned more distally, I saw

40:34

that the medial plantar nerve was displaced

40:37

by the soft tissue ganglion.

40:38

This coming from the anterior subtalar joint here,

40:43

the middle face set of the anterior uh, anterior uh, joint

40:48

and the nerve was irritated.

40:49

You pushed on the transducer

40:51

and the patient, yes, you're eliciting the symptoms.

40:53

So you get that feedback telling, uh, telling us

40:56

that we're in the correct area.

40:59

Now here's a rare example of soft tissue varice

41:03

creating tarson syndrome.

41:05

Now I don't know

41:06

how many vessels should be considered abnormal.

41:09

I haven't seen that literature either.

41:11

I basically compared to the other side

41:14

and this was like I saw 10 different

41:16

vessels compared to two.

41:18

So I know it was asymmetric

41:20

and the patient had tarsal tunnel syndrome.

41:23

So this was a suggestion of the cause.

41:25

There was no other cause for it. So we presume that.

41:28

So I'm just saying this is a subjective finding I would

41:31

compare to the other side.

41:35

Okay, finally, in the next four

41:37

and a half minutes, I'm going

41:39

to cover a common plantar nerve.

41:42

So first the anatomy. Now this is very important as we sort

41:46

through how to image interal aromas.

41:49

The key here is this transverse manar ligament connecting

41:52

the plantar bursa.

41:55

The inner metatarsal bura is dorsal to

41:58

that in the metatarsal heads

42:00

where the neurovascular structure are plantar,

42:03

they're in different locations.

42:04

These two things because of this inner metatarsal,

42:09

or sorry, transverse metatarsal um, ligament.

42:13

So that's why I scan plantar.

42:15

So interdigital nerves, uh, neuromas,

42:18

this is really an entrapment.

42:19

The common plantar digital nerve branches, edema,

42:22

fibrosis and necrosis.

42:24

Third, more than second inter spaces females

42:27

and wearing high heels.

42:29

Um, someone with more pliable foot, whatever that means

42:33

to narrow toe box shoes will do it.

42:35

They can matic up to a third

42:37

and especially if they're under five millimeter measuring

42:41

medial to later.

42:43

Now what's interesting, people use the term marching aroma

42:47

freely and actually many times incorrectly.

42:50

I know because I had done that for a long time.

42:53

I now am corrected where the only neuroma

42:56

that is a Morton neuroma is the third inner space.

42:59

The other ones have other names.

43:02

So what I've learned through the years is I never wanna use

43:04

an epi member again,

43:06

that way I know I won't use it incorrectly.

43:08

Uh, you can use them, but I think it's kind of,

43:11

oh whatever I I just call 'em interventional aromas

43:14

and indicate the web space.

43:18

Okay, so scanning from a plantar aspect, I again want

43:22

to highlight the location

43:24

of a bursa versus an aroma in white.

43:28

Here we have the transverse metatarsal ligament.

43:31

We know that the inter metatarsal bura is dorsal

43:34

between the metatarsal heads.

43:37

The pathophysiology is that the plantar digital nerve.

43:40

When it course over the edge of this

43:43

transverse metatarsal ligament, that's

43:46

where the neuroma forms, therefore the neuroma will be more

43:49

distal and more plantar at the edge of this ligament.

43:55

So here on MRI

43:56

and ultrasound, we can see the neuroma

44:00

a dumbbell appearance.

44:01

It's plantar. Remember, more torso is going to be the bursa.

44:05

There are different locations here.

44:08

It's hard to tell the difference.

44:09

I'll explain how we can, but this is the neuroma

44:12

and this is the bursa.

44:14

And what's interesting that's not interesting.

44:17

When I'm in, when I, when I'm interpreting Mr,

44:21

I really rely on this now I really rely on this long axis

44:25

view of the metatarsals.

44:28

Knowing that the pathophysiology in aroma goes

44:32

beyond the transverse metatarsal ligament.

44:35

A bursa usually will not extend that far.

44:39

So unless it's dramatically enlarged this,

44:42

not only this pedunculated appearance going,

44:45

I really rely on it going distal as well.

44:49

Alright, let's get to the ultrasound.

44:53

Now when I'm scanning it from a plantar approach,

44:56

here is the edema of the nerve coming over the top

45:00

of the transverse metatarsal ligament.

45:03

Note that the bursa is more koic

45:05

and it's oral to the ligament nerve

45:08

as it comes over the edge of the ligament forms the neuroma.

45:11

So the neuroma is more distal and more plantar.

45:16

They look different. Also when you perform the ultrasound,

45:19

the verse is often compressible

45:21

and this is minimally if all compressible.

45:26

Alright, three steps. How I perform this ultrasound.

45:29

I always have my finger on the other side playing the

45:33

apart and applying pressure.

45:37

And the normal interdigital space will be low level echoes

45:40

like this fibro fatty tissue.

45:43

Here's the abnormal situation, hypo mass like area.

45:48

And what's important is when you're scanning this transverse

45:51

line hearts that you scan distally as well saying

45:56

perpendicular to the metatarsal heads and going distally.

45:59

Again, that's where the,

46:00

where the aroma is of the three steps.

46:02

This one is the least accurate, right?

46:05

Then go to step two looking long axis.

46:08

And that's where I wanna show exactly what I mentioned.

46:11

The, the aroma is going over the edge of the ligament.

46:15

The bursa is more proximal and dorsal and more an coic

46:18

but through transmission in most scenarios.

46:21

Here's an on MRI, there's an aroma, there's the bura.

46:25

They are different locations and they look differently.

46:30

Here's a companion case.

46:31

Here's the transverse metatarsal ligament.

46:34

Thema the nerve going into it. And here's the birthstone.

46:37

And again, this is minimally, there's minimal fluid.

46:39

This is not even concurred bursitis based on the size at

46:43

least 'cause you're allowed up to three millimeters

46:47

and uh, menial lateral to be considered normal.

46:50

Then finally, step three,

46:51

the most important molder maneuver.

46:53

This is a clinical sign

46:54

that if you squeeze the foot from side to side,

46:57

that there'll be a painful click

46:58

of the neuroma moving in a plantar direction.

47:01

Here's what we're looking at. There's the aroma.

47:04

This is normal. As we squeeze from side to side,

47:08

what we're seeing is plantar displacement of the neuroma.

47:12

That's why I scan plantar. I'm looking for three things.

47:16

One, you see the neuroma moving, you feel the click.

47:21

And three, are you reproducing the symptoms via all three?

47:24

You're a hundred percent accurate,

47:25

but look how better we can see this neuroma

47:29

and we can measure it accurately.

47:31

The bursa will not do this. Why?

47:33

Because it's held in a al location by the transverse

47:37

metatarsal ligament.

47:38

So again, the anatomy is key to understanding the difference

47:41

between a neuroma and a bura.

47:43

Finally, last slide before the summary here.

47:47

Remember peri capsular fibrosis related

47:49

to PLA plantar plate injury.

47:51

It can simulate CC an MR perhaps in aroma,

47:55

although we wouldn't fall into that pitfall.

47:57

We can see that the capsule here is missing it's ated,

48:00

it's form compared to here where it merged

48:03

with the plantar plate and

48:04

by ultrasound it's really hugging the metatarsal

48:08

point and not in between.

48:10

Importantly, you would not have a positive molders maneuver

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with periocular fibrosis.

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Come point entrapment.

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They occurred specific areas, the hallmark edema

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and enlargement at en proximal the entrapment site.

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Next thing, when you push on the emus nerve,

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they will tell you you're in the right location.

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Reproducing symptoms. This compliments

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electrodiagnostic testing.

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I've highlighted the use

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of dynamic imaging looking at snapping ulnar,

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nerve snapping tricep syndrome,

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also the molder maneuver in the foot as well.

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And the final point, although I'm highlighting the locations

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of entrapment neuropathy,

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you should scan the entire nerve in the

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extremity in short axis.

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It takes a minute to do. It's so easy.

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The reason is, although clinically

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it may be suspected someone has an entrapment neuropathy,

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you could have a nerve, the nerve sheath tumor

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or something, uh, in other locations.

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So you may start at an entrapment site,

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but you should scan the entire nerve to cover everything

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between the entrapment sites in short axis.

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That can be done very efficiently.

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Again, with this QR code is gets you to where my, uh,

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syllabus material is.

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There's all, there's other educational material,

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usually ultrasound things you can consider

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looking to that if you wish.

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I wanna thank you very much for your attention

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and now I can take some questions.

49:38

Yes, thank you so much Dr. Jacobson.

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At this time we will open the floor

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for any questions from our audience

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and you may submit your questions

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through the q and a feature.

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Uh, the first one is share the PDF, uh,

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hopefully you got that QR code.

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Um, I can put try one more time if you like.

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I'll see if there's any other questions

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that pop up in the meantime.

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Okay, well I'm not seeing any questions.

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That's either a good sign or a bad sign.

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I presume it's a good sign.

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So thorough. So thorough that everyone's like, yeah, I

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Understand. So what I,

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on my website Ms. My is my email.

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You can email me any questions and I can,

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and I can answer anything, uh, offline, not offline,

50:33

but outside of this, this webinar. Okay,

50:36

Well awesome. Thank you

50:37

so much again for sharing your lecture with us.

50:39

Uh, Dr. Jacobson, oh,

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a question did just pop in into the q and a. If you got

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Oh, I, I almost got out of it.

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Okay. Which peripheral nerve entrapment is most difficult

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to diagnose and I think anterior interosseous nerve is

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by far the most because the nerve is small

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and the muscle is so, uh, epigenic from the effect of that

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that I just can't, I can't penetrate to it.

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That by far is the most difficult.

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The easiest would be the one

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where the nerves are most enlarged would be number one,

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cual tunnel number two carpal tunnel.

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Uh, I think, uh, tarsal tunnel is challenging

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'cause the nerve looks normal, but you just have

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to keep looking all around for a ganglion cyst some other

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cause those are the ones that really come to mind.

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The, the interal aroma is challenging,

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but that's why I feel

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that molar maneuver really helps save the day on that one.

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So that's just some information on my feeling on the most

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difficult, uh, nerves to scan for entrapment.

51:44

Alright, well thank you so much Dr. Jacobson

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and thank you to everyone

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51:50

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51:53

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Faculty

Jon A. Jacobson, MD, MD, FACR

Professor of Radiology, Section Chief of Musculoskeletal Imaging

University of Cincinnati

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Musculoskeletal (MSK)