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Let's take a look at this lung cancer screening CT exam.
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Here we are looking at the lung windows
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and we see some mild bi apical scar
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and some subpleural apical blobs.
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Pretty common findings in older individuals
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who have the eligibility age for lung cancer screening
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and we see some more subpleural blobs
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or areas of paraseptal emphysema.
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And then right here at the right apex
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we're finding a ground glass nodule.
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We can measure that nodule.
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We're getting just under 10 millimeters, nine,
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10 millimeters in diameter.
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So let's keep looking throughout the lungs
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for any other pulmonary nodules.
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We see a little bit of central lobular emphysema,
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some low density holes with
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that well-defined walls a little bit more paraseptal
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emphysema, these little subpleural lucencies.
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We said that these small airway walls are a little bit
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thickened relative to the size of the airway lumen.
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Pretty common finding individuals who smoke
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and early evidence of small airway disease, a form of COPD.
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Again, we can see centrally here this moderate small
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airway wall thickening.
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We've got some mild dependent atelectasis
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that's a little bit of round glass looking
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slightly reticular abnormality
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that is in the posterior most aspect of the lungs.
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Um, we know that dependent atelectasis is more common in
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individuals who smoke
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and it's also more common with increasing age.
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So we see this very commonly in individuals who come
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for lung cancer screening.
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I like to say that whatever part
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of the lung is up against the CT table,
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which you can see right here, is essentially splinted
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during a chest ct.
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And so when you take a breath in the anterior part
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of the lung that's away from the table moves up
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and down a lot, but the posterior lung is basically
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fixed up against the table.
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So not surprising, you have dependent ectasis
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and as we know for things like prone imaging and HCTs,
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but a lot of this goes away if a patient replaced prone.
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So seeing more of this small airway wall thickening,
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this airway type of COPD
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and then the airways really peter out very quickly
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with almost no little lumen left in them.
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So airway centered COPD
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and then we come back up here to this ground glass nodule.
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So as we mentioned, the size threshold for
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category two versus category three
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for ground glass nodules is 30 millimeters under 30
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millimeter nodules will be considered a category two
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A finding in lung rats.
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And the recommendation is to continue annual screening ct.
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Now let's take a look at
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what happened in this patient over time.
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We have serial CT exams here on the bottom.
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Let's scroll up to that nodule.
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And we have the nodule that we see on this current exam.
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This nine and a half millimeter right apical ground glass
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nodule three years later on the CT
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Screening, it's about the same size, minimally larger,
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another three years later still hasn't changed.
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But as we continue to follow this exam,
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and this is 2023 compared
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to the initial screening exam I showed you from 2015.
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Now we've had a change in the biologic
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behavior of this nodule.
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It's been fairly stable since 20 15, 20 18, 20 21.
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But now it is uh, significantly increased in its size
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and it's also increased in density.
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We're gonna look very closely to see within this nodule.
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Now are there any solid components?
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Does this move from a ground glass
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or nonsolid nodule into the part solid nodule?
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I think most people would call this a pure ground glass
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or nonsolid nodule.
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Next step, um, with this is, is this still a lung RADS two?
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Well, it's still under that 30 millimeter thigh threshold
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but it hasn't crossed that territory.
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So most people would continue to call this a long RADS two
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and the patient would come back
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for their next annual screening in 12 months.
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Now if you're trying to deliver personalized patient
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tailored care, you know pulmonary medicine physician seeing
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this patient may say, you know, it has been stable over time
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but now it's demonstrated a significant growth change in the
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last two years and might get concerned about that
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because it's primarily a nonsolid nodule
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with no solid component.
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There really is no role
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for PET ct And the further assessment of this type
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of a nodule, at most we might consider doing
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a shorter term followup CT
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if there's more concern maybe in six months.
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The problem with a three month followup cts is
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unless you have enough of a solid component,
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it's generally very hard to to identify growth
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with two short of timeframe.
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But this patient is scheduled
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for their next annual lung cancer screening CT this summer
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and we'll be carefully watching this nodule to see
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that hopefully it hasn't changed
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and if it has grown, identify that rate
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of growth which can be used to help understand risk
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for the individual patient.
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So pure ground glass nodule under three centimeters,
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be entire time across its journey even though it is
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most recently increased in size.
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Remains long. RADS two with a recommendation
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for a follow-up annual CT screening in 12 months.
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Ground glass nodules
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that are lung cancer are usually relatively indolent
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adenocarcinomas, but they can demonstrate change in their
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growth and aggressiveness,
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particularly when they develop a solid component.