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Let's talk about reporting considerations
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for your lung cancer screening CT exams.
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We're gonna talk about structured reports from the
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radiologist's perspective, things that you can do
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to ensure high quality reports with the right information
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that's easily translatable to our referring physicians,
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nurse coordinators and navigators as well as the patients.
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We're gonna talk about the advantages of patient
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specific letters in lay language
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that is more translatable at the patient level
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that can be performed in addition
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to doing your structured reporting as well as the importance
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of patient tracking tools, which use the information
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that you create in your structured reports to help uh,
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manage the downstream testing and follow the patients.
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In the work I'm doing with the American Cancer Society's
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National Lung Cancer Roundtable,
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we're putting together a toolkit to help practices implement
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and improve their early detection programs,
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including lung cancer screening at incent pulmonary nodules.
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And one of the elements that we put together has to do
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with the radiology report, having the right information,
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inconsistent structure in good format in a way
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that is translatable
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and usable to those who consume our product, which they see
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as the radiology report.
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We of course know there's so much behind the report,
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including the quality
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of the exams we performed in all the work, the radiologists,
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the radiology technologists
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and our medical physicists do to make that happen.
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But it comes down in terms of translating what we're seeing
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to our radiology report.
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Whether you're using a structured template in a reporting
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system, free text
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or a hybrid for generating radiology report,
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there are some standard elements that are important
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to include in a lung cancer screening CT report.
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Of course, we always want to make sure
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that the exam has the correct header or name
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and is clearly indicated to be a lung cancer screening CT
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with the date that it was acquired.
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And this makes it easy to recognize this
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as a lung cancer screening CT as opposed to another type
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of chest CT a patient might have had such
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as a pulmonary embolism CT or a HR CT of the chest.
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And it also is important to make the date very clear so
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that people can compare
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how long ago it was from the last screen.
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In terms of tracking patients into the future.
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By having elements in a structured template,
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you can then put these into
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and extract them into tracking tools
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that can help manage your lung cancer screening patients.
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So making sure they're coming back for annual exams
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and short-term followup exams.
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So structure can help you if you're in a system
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where you can integrate
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that information into patient tracking.
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The reason for the exam lung cancer screening should be
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specifically stated as lung cancer screening.
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Uh, we often see people putting in other patient
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diagnoses into the reason for exam
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and that can create challenges with insurance coverage
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and reimbursement with patients
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and your staff often having to go back
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and forth many times to clarify.
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This is indeed a CT done specifically
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for lung cancer screening.
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Not done because the patient also has COPD
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or also has heart disease
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or also has a remote history
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of another cancer like a melanoma that's under surveillance
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but is irrelevant to the fact
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that this patient is here today
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for a lung cancer screening exam.
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So I like to say keep it simple lung cancer screening
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and don't add in all the other patient medical issues
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that might be on their problem list.
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This makes it very clear
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for insurance companies if they're making you jump
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through preauthorization, but importantly for reimbursement
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after your report is completed, it's important to give uh,
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information on whether there is a comparison exam
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and how far back you're going to look at the exam.
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We wanna know this to determine
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how long nodules have been stable over time.
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And so it's important for you as the radiologist not only
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to look at the last CT
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but look at other cts, the oldest cts if possible,
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to determine how long a nodule has been there and stable.
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The longer a nodule has been stable, the more likely it is
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to be benign and don't just look for chest cts.
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Sometimes our systems are automatically set up
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to pull the comparison chest cts to the top
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of your comparison list or the top of your reporting system.
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But sometimes that might miss other important exams like an
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abdomen CT or a neck CT or a shoulder ct.
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Other CT exams that might include part
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of the lungs can be a very important comparison.
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So I always say don't just look at the comparison chest cts,
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but there may be other exams,
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particularly if you don't have a comparison chest ct.
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That can be very important in looking at nodule stability.
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And stability is our most important criteria
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for benign nodules or benign behaving nodules.
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So we always put at the top of our report,
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so we've got exam name
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and date, specify lung screening, CT with date, reason
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for exam, keep it simple lung cancer screening
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and comparison chest cts
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and other cts that might include a portion of the lung.
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Make it very clear
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how far back you're able to go with comparison.
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The third section really getting to the meat
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of reporting is the findings
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and the following element should be reported
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for each nodule in long rads.
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We recommend reporting up to the sixth largest
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or most suspicious nodules by their morphology or growth.
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And so we recommend having a section in your report
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that is specifically for lung where you put these findings.
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It's important to report the nodule size.
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Uh, we usually do that in mean diameter in millimeters
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as recommended by lung rats orally.
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You can also report lung volume if you're using
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volumetric software.
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There's really no evidence that reporting
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by volume versus reporting a managed
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by millimeters changes patient outcome.
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We know the volume can give us a more precise measurement,
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but there's no evidence that that increase in precision
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of nodule size measurement actually changes patient outcomes
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long term in lung cancer screening.
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And so there are some countries
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where volume measurement is very common, such as in the uh,
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region where the Dutch Belgian Nelson trial was performed.
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But I would say in most of the world we're using millimeters
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and mean diameter.
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Following size is consistency.
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Where is it on the solid part, solid nonsolid continuum
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or is it cystic?
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What lobe is it in?
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You can spell it out in full like right upper lobe
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or just use abbreviations.
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Image number and series number on which the nodule is found
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are gonna be very helpful to you.
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Perhaps a little extra time
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to document when you're reading the exam today,
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but they'll be very happy
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that you have it when next year's annual screening exam
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comes around and you're trying to find those nodules
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and compare them side by side.
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And then comparison CT if you have comparisons,
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comment if the nodule is unchanged, if it's increased
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or decreased and give the prior size.
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That way we know the directionality of the growth pattern.
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If there are any unique features
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that might be helpful in reading future exams,
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you might wanna include that again to help you
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and your, your fellow radiology practitioners
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and physicians in your department and your program.
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Being able to find the nodules if they wanna look at it
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and do those comparisons.
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Some of those unique features might be whether it's
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central or peripheral.
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The ones that are out along the lung edge are pretty easy
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to see because there's not a lot of blood vessels out there.
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But the further you get to the center of the lung,
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the closer they get to vessels and vessels in cross-section.
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And so sometimes your left scratch in your head,
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which little.is it that my colleagues saw last time?
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And if you put the series
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and image number, it can be helpful.
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I also help it find useful when reading the exams
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to put a small arrow pointing to these small nodules so
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that next time around it's very easy
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and quick for uh, myself
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or my radiology colleagues in our group
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to quickly get to those nodules.
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So we've got size, consistency, lobe
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series and image number
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and then growth for comparison,
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increase, decrease or unchanged.
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And lastly, those unique features which can help you find
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noles a few comments.
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I really recommend putting one nodule on
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each row of the report.
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That way you don't have a free text paragraph that kind of
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mixes one nodule with a comma
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to the next nodule to the next nodule.
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So clarity, easy to see the information in the report.
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So recommend one nodule per row.
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With this information, I'll show you some examples.
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If you have specifically benign nodules,
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it's probably a good idea to call them out
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so they're not confusing to others particularly uh,
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non radiologists who might be looking at the report
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and looking at the images.
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We know there are parts of the country
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that have endemic fungal infections.
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So histoplasmosis in our Midwestern histoplasmosis belt in
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the south, we have coccidia, mycosis, and cryptococcus.
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So where you have endemic fungus, you're gonna see more
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of these benign nodules and important to call them out.
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Specifically there are specific benign features
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of lesions like hematomas with fat or fat and calcium.
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Again, calling them out and reporting them important
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but not on your list of the noncalcified nodules
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that you're going to follow over time.
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And then lastly, if you have issues with exam quality
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that impact interpretation, just be honest and mention them.
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Did the patient take a great breath in
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and out during the examination causing respiratory motion
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artifact that maybe wasn't caught
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by the imaging technologist at the time and repeated?
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So if there are exam quality issues, put it in your report.
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If it requires a callback, bring the patient back to repeat
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that portion of the exam.
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So let's look at a couple examples of
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how this might look in your radiology reports.
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Up top is an example for what might be a first time exam.
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And on the bottom is if you have a comparison exam note
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we've covered the series number.
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There are the following noncalcified novel as described
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below on series two and it applies to all the list below.
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We have each nodule by load, its density solid
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or ground glass and its image number.
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So for each of the nodules we're providing the same detail.
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And then I mentioned extra features like per fist
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or juxta, plural.
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These are nodules which are defined
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as benign intra pulmonary lymph nodes.
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And so adding these extra features can be helpful in both
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conveying the significance of the nodules
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as well as locating them.
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And then if you have a comparison exam,
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say if it's changed or not.
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So for this first nodule solid 11 millimeters, the next time
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around it was previously seven millimeters.
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On that first report we looked at above the left lower lobe,
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ground glass, eight millimeter nodule unchanged,
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and the right middle lobe peri fist nodule.
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You could say it's unchanged or not,
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but either way it's a benign pulmonary lymph node.
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So these are examples of
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what your reports can look like consistent and clear.
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Easy to find the information for you today
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and easy to find it for you in the future.
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When reporting examinations, sometimes you can use
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external reporting tools or knowle detection
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and management tools to help do this for you.
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And we'll talk about that a little bit.
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So if you're using some tool like PowerScribe
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to do your reporting, you can create structured fields
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to put that information with pick lists.
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So here's an example that I built in our PowerScribe
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reporting software where if you're not using any automatic
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importing from a software tool that's detecting
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and measuring your nodules for you, you have discrete fields
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for each one diameter type in
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or speech the nodule a size pick
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for the low, but just a pick list.
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Just click on the one and then pick.
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And similarly a pick list for density
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and enter the image number.
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And you can do this for each of the up
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to six total nodules that you have.
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And then similarly, you can create standard
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fields for your impression.
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I highly recommend this instead of allowing the kind
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of variability amongst different radiologists is about
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how they want to report their lung reds
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or what kind of sentence structure they use.
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Again, it makes it very easy for the referring physicians
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to always have the same structure.
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And if you're doing uh, quality control
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and quality improvement
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and looking at your data makes the information easy to find
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as well as to extract it if you're using any tools
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to extract information outta your radiology reports.
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So in our radiology impression it looks something like this
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lung ran category.
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It's a pick list where you pick your lung ran
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category zero one up to four x.
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You'll note each of them has a version with
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and without the S modifier.
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That is a specific category in lung rats
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to add the S modifier.
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And that will feed into the next uh, impression finding,
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which is about those S modifiers for significant
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or potentially significant findings.
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And we simply have a pick list for those as well.
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We can click none if there are none.
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It makes it very clear that there aren't any.
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But then we can also have our pick list for other findings
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that may be significant.
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So you can see here we have in our pick list moderate
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coronary calcification, severe calcification, moderate
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or severe emphysema, osteoporosis, uh,
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mild fibrotic interstitial lung disease, important to detect
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as it can progress over time.
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Respiratory bronchitis.
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A common finding in individuals who smoke cigarettes
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with inflammation around their small airways.
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Usually upper low predominant
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as some fuzzy central lobular nodules or a dilated aorta.
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Ascending dilatation is the one that we see the most.
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You can build a pick list with the things
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that you think are most important to your practice.
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If there are several potential
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or significant cental findings, we basically copy paste this
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and add to the pick list findings represented
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or we add additional ones if they're not on the list.
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So we built this for convenience
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and consistency of reporting.
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We also include in reports,
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and we recommend that you do this
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to include a link to lung rads.
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You might be familiar with it in your radiology practice,
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but you're referring physicians
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and your patients may have no idea
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what this lung RADS radiology speak is that we're using.
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We include a link to the Lung Rad resources,
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which gets us right to the interpretation table if you're
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referring physicians are interested in looking at it
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or want to be reminded of it.
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And then we have a definition of what each term is.
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So if you're referring physician or a patient
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or a nurse navigator coordinator in the program,
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you can see what they mean.
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So category one negative screen,
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No nodules and
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or definitely benign nodules continue
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screening in 12 months.
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And so on up the ladder.
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Category four B positive, screen suspicious,
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recommend multidisciplinary consultation
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and additional imaging, which could be a CT chest
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with contrast or a PET CT at the solid component is eight
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millimeters or larger and or tissue sampling.
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So it sets the stage for the result, whether it's positive
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or negative, and what the next steps are very clearly.
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And it's very clear for people to see in long reds
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how it escalates with each finding category
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and where they're finding fits in
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for their particular patient.
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Is it a three? Is it a one? Is it a four B? And so on.