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Artificial intelligence is something
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that's really important to consider.
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Applying to your chest cts, both
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for lung nodule detection on most of your chest cts,
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aortic cts and cardiac cts,
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and particularly in the setting of lung cancer screening.
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This review from November, 2022 looked at the available
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artificial intelligence tools
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for lung nodules on a special article in a series
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on AI applications.
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And as you can see, at that time there were a number of them
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and there continued to be a growth in the marketplace.
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On the number of these tools that are out there,
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they can be used to detect, characterize
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and track nodules over time.
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They segment nodules and measure nodule volume.
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And none of 'em, I would say is absolutely perfect
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because this is a marketplace that is rapidly evolving.
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And so this article did a really nice example of how you can
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evaluate an AI tool and what it's good at
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and maybe where it needs improvement.
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So some tools, for example, not
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so great at looking at ground glass nodules,
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some tools measuring into the only not A 3D,
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some tools incorporating risk calculators and
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and using lung rads as built in.
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So each vary in some of the details behind them,
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but I think you get the gist.
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It's detecting, characterizing,
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measuring, and looking for growth.
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They can assist you as the radiologist in the prognosis
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prognostication for malignancy
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and for categorizing lesions in the lung ran schema to date,
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there actually haven't been large numbers
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of scientifically published studies
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of using these nodule tools in the clinical environment.
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But we get a lot of feedback from radiologists about which
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tools they like and which tools don't work
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so well once they're implemented in their practice.
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We have a, one of these tools implemented in our practice,
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uh, from a vendor that we've been using for about a decade
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and we've watched the tool improve with each iteration
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of updates in the tool, which have gotten
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to more consistent volume measurements,
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more consistent nodule contours
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and more consistent nodule measurements.
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In addition to doing these tasks for you, you may want
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to use some of the information that comes out of these tools
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to put them into your radiology reports directly.
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And we know there are lots of barriers
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to adoption of these tools.
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From AI being a black box, I don't understand
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how it's making these calculations
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to questions about the fear of the radiologist replacement.
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I have very little concern about that one.
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I think this is one more tool in our toolkit as radiologists
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and we evolve in practice concerns about lack
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of clinical validation, regulatory approval, reimbursement,
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a tool that you'll pay for
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that may not have any direct reimbursement line associated
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with it, concerns about
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how well it's integrable into your practice.
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And these are all things that we need to understand better
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as we apply tools like this in our practice.
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Here's an example of an AI tool in practice.
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This is one that we use.
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It gives us a quick field report out of
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where the nodules are, their size, their lobe,
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and change by looking at prior exams,
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whether they're our prior exams
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or any outside chest cts
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that we may have ingested into our PAC system for a patient
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or it gives us a readout, but there are no nodules.
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So this is comes with each chest CT
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that we use in our practice,
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whether it's screening or otherwise.
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This is an example where there is a nodule
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and when you drill down, it gives you an image of
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where the nodule is in the greater image.
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It gives you this output in a stack that you can scroll
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through and link with your main axial images
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that you're interpreting and it shows you the outline
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that it has drawn, which allows you
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as the user some comfort in knowing do you think it actually
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represents the nodule as opposed to something that's kind
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of in a black box and spitting out a measurement.
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And then we have it set up to give us the average diameter,
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the minimum and maximum diameter,
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and it will also give us the nodule volume.
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So these are the way that tools can be used in your
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practice, finding nodules, measuring nodules,
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and it will also report out whether it's solid parts,
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solid or ground glass.
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So here's an example
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of an integration into our PowerScribe reporting system
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where we get an example like this
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where the patient has four nodules, you can see on each one
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where there was no match to a prior exam
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and these other three nodules,
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the nodule was found on the prior.
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You'll note comments like this may be on
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the tools that you use.
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User is responsible
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for confirming nodule matches, for example.
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So there is, it is incumbent upon the user
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to validate the output of these tools
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and by taking the pieces that come from the tool itself,
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they actually automatically insert into
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our power scribe report.
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In that format. We talked about instructor reporting,
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so it automatically puts it into our report, low density
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size, image number,
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and comparison size if it was there before.
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The kind of things that are important when
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we're looking at nodule.
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So this is not an easy workflow to develop,
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but when you do develop it,
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it's very helpful in your interpretation practice.
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Thank you for learning together about lung nodule morphology
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and growth assessment and some of the tools
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that you can use in your practice.