Interactive Transcript
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So welcome to the third section
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and this is where magic happens.
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We are going to be looking at reading of the PSMA PET scan
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and I'm gonna be taking you through how I set up my images,
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some tips and tricks that I use,
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and then working through some um, normal study.
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We're working through a normal study
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and then a very straightforward case
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before in the upcoming sections we work into some more
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challenging cases with more widespread disease.
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But the first thing to consider here is
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how does your institution look at nuclear medicine images
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and what we will find here as we work through.
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So I've taken some screenshots of my viewer.
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I use MIM seven and my workplace.
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Um, we also have another client which
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we can use fusion images.
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And what I've uploaded into the live cases
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that we'll be working on through the arm reviewer, um,
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is some fused stacks
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but also what we call the functional data as well
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as the low dose ct.
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And ideally if you're working through these,
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you want a software which does the fusion,
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which you can adjust the intensity of the PET data
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or the functional data to help you know with your viewing.
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And we'll see why that's important
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in some upcoming sections.
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So we need to think about the intensity of the uptake.
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We need to think about how the fusions work
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and how you can manipulate them
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as you work through the images.
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Um, and also how you display dynamic data.
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We don't have any more dynamic cases, um,
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as we saw in the end of the last module,
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but if you do have um, dynamic PSMA pet, it's important
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to think about how you will display them.
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So we think about the information that we have.
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Um, so we have the PET or functional data
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and then the low dose ct.
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And then how do we bring in comparison imaging?
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So here is um, a screenshot from my workstation.
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So we have our low dose CT data here,
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which then takes in PET SWB is our
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attenuation correction PET data.
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You'll see that there's uncorrected data in there as well,
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which is non attenuation correction.
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Um, I use that to troubleshoot sometimes,
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but it's not part of my standard read.
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I pick my pet CT viewer
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and then this is just how I go through and load it up.
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And then we get a display of the pictures.
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So I think about how I like to display my pictures.
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I sometimes create my own workstations so,
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or my own work displays.
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And here you can see that I'm thinking about bringing in
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the functional data.
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So across the top and then I'll bring in a
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rotating MIP as well.
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And then I will bring that through and then create that.
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And then I also wanna have a comparison image
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for looking at the pet data on its own
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and then also the fsed data and then the low dose ct.
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And I'll bring in a sagittal reconstruction as well
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as the axial.
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Um, but if I'm looking at this in my standard workstation,
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which is often on two screens, um,
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I'll have the coronal data
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as we can see there on that first workflow.
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So I can tab between these
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and this will really help me with reading.
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Um, I think don't be afraid to look at different planes
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of your imaging as well.
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A great pearl that I got was not to ever forget
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that humans are three dimensional structures.
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Um, so we are not just trans axial.
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So I will constantly be moving in between the axial
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Which is here, um, sagittal, um, coronal,
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and then also really relying quite heavily on the rotating
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MIP to get a bit of an overview of my patient.
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So you heard me mention on an earlier stage
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that we're thinking about SUVs.
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So that's our standardized uptake value.
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And this is a semi-quantitative measure
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of the tracer uptake in a specific tissue
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or specific region of the body.
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And so we, that's why we
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weigh the patients when they arrive.
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We also take their height so we get a bit of a sense of, um,
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the size of the patient
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and the amount of tracer that we are injecting.
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'cause we know exactly how much in megal that
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or milli curie that we've injected.
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And then the scanning equipment will adjust this
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for the delay and then give us a semi quantitative
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standardized uptake value.
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So it is essentially a surrogate measure for the amount
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of PSMA expression in tissue.
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And this is goes across all PET scans.
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So if you were doing an FDG pet,
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it would give a surrogate marker
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for the glucose metabolism in a tissue.
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If you're doing dotatate pet,
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it would give you a surrogate marker for the amount
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of somatostatin receptor expression in a tissue.
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Um, and in this case we're looking at PSMA
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and one thing to kind of consider is
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that this SUV range similar to CT windows is adjustable.
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So I'll show you a range.
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So if we look at SUV max as our viewing window, zero
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to five, um, the liver and spleen and the bowel
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and the kidneys look quite black
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and then zero to seven, which I typically read on zero
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to seven, but that's a little warmer
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or a little bit more toasty than some
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other my colleagues do.
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They'll read on zero to 10 or sometimes even zero to 15.
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And I will actually move
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through these ranges depending on what tissue I'm looking at.
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So my standard look through is usually zero to seven,
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and then I'll turn it down to zero to 10
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or zero to 15 to look through the liver
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and kidneys, um, and spleen.
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Um, as you can see there, they're less, um,
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black on those higher images.
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And here we go. Here's another one at zero to 20 as well.
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So you can see that making those adjustments,
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you can really highlight the difference in tissues exactly
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as we would with a CT window.
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And here's a few examples of color displays.
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I typically read on warm metal.
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I used to read on hot body and it just depends on the site
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and what you are used to using.
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And Pet rainbow I do use as well, I tend
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to use pet rainbows for brains.
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Um, but one of the sites I trained at,
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I'll use Pet Rainbow for all their pets.
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Um, so it really just depends on
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where you feel most comfortable.
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But one thing I will say is don't
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forget the black and white data.
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There are so many more shades of gray, um,
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and derivatives of gray than colors.
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And so you get a lot of range of data in a single image.
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Um, and I actually find, especially when I'm looking
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for small nodes or you know, punctate, foci of uptake
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or small lung lesions, the black
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and white data, going through that
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and scrolling through that can actually be really useful in
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terms of sensitivity for detection of lesions.